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taste_of_water ([personal profile] taste_of_water) wrote in [community profile] podficmeta2012-04-14 05:16 pm

Kinkmeme fics, to pod or not to pod?

  What is your stance on recording kinkmeme fills?

If no one has claimed the fic in question and any attempt at finding the author has been in vain? Is it ever ok to record a fic without the authors permission?

Does/should the age of the fill matter? (as in, is it alright to pod a fill that's years old but not one that was finished six months ago?)

I'm following a few kinkmemes, and while I think that some of them are really good and written in a  way that lends itself to podding, I'm unsure of what to think of someone recording them or even what the community as a whole thinks of it. 
To me, recording a fic without an all clear from the author is something that just isn't done.
But if the author is anonymous does that still apply?



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[personal profile] paraka 2012-04-14 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen two approaches done for podding kink memes:
1) Leave a comment asking the author if it's ok, and waiting to see if you get a response (I've actually seen pretty good responses for this in AI fandom, but I can't speak for other kink memes)
2) Leave a comment informing the author that you're going to podfic, and if they have any problems with that, to let you know by date X. This is what I did when I podficced a bunch of Old Spice kink meme fills (I got a few responses saying yes and a bunch without responses but so far no responses saying no).

Personally I feel that the second option is a pretty good compromise between getting permission but not being left hanging (Here is an example of the comment I left for the OS Kink Meme Anthology).
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[personal profile] monanotlisa 2012-04-14 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I really like your second option -- I do think anonymous answers on the internet are fair game, but not everything that's fair game should actually be done in what's arguably a community of people respecting more individual approaches.
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[personal profile] anatsuno 2012-04-14 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I think both approaches described by Paraka are okay.

One ranty aside: I wish people who choose to de-anon would also get in the habit of systematically making this clear on the kinkmeme itself, just to make sure the word has a way to spread other than 'some people know' or 'if you know the author, you'll see they just reposted a thing you read on the meme last month/year' (because that doesn't serve to inform all those who only read it on the meme...)

Anyway, on to your question. Personally, I view anon-posting as a practice that comes with a price; the fact that you-the-author are hard to identify is a feature and a bug both. If you haven't de-anoned (by reposting a/o by claiming the fill in the meme itself), you are "protected" in your anonymity, but you also *cannot* claim ownership. Hence there is no reason that your socially-non-existent ownership be socially acknowledged or respected.

So in my view, if a podficcer does their best to track the author down (checking for reposts in communities and archives, asking around, and most of all signalling their intentions by posting on the meme in the relevant thread(s)) and they're not receiving any answer, the story is fair game.

If authors hadn't thought of that when posting anon + consequently choosing not to de-anon - or even answering the podficcer's query anon on the meme (though of course that would not be complete proof)-, well, it's their problem for not thinking of consequences beforehand. I would very much hope that the people who are happy to stay completely anon for always had actually considered both pros and cons of staying anon, and don't actually mind not having a say over that.
Edited (oops) 2012-04-14 18:04 (UTC)
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[personal profile] monanotlisa 2012-04-14 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
: I wish people who choose to de-anon would also get in the habit of systematically making this clear on the kinkmeme itself, just to make sure the word has a way to spread other than 'some people know' or 'if you know the author, you'll see they just reposted a thing you read on the meme last month/year' (because that doesn't serve to inform all those who only read it on the meme...)

Oh, that is such a good point! Thanks for making it; I'll leave notes in the kinkmeme that the work -- same title, or I'll add the new title -- can be found at the AO3. That way, it remains "anon" for the purpose of the 'meme but allows finding it in a finished fashion, or tracking the author, and so on.
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[personal profile] anatsuno 2012-04-14 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes please! Doing this is a *fabulous* and easy way to insure the info can spread. And if the work has been orphaned at the AO3, it can even be reposted after editing / all in one place *and stay anon*! :D
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[personal profile] melannen 2012-04-14 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
This is an excellent question!

And now you've also got me wondering about podfic/etc. for orphan works on AO3 - it seems like a policy there would be nice.
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I totally did podfic one, it turned out pretty good

[personal profile] lunchee 2012-04-15 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
except for the fact that the author abandoned it, but ah well, what can you do?

Anon memes for me are exactly as [personal profile] anatsuno described it - but I take it one step further and assume permission until proven otherwise. Yeah, I do feel a little bad about not being able to get express permission, but if they don't want to attach their name to a fanwork, then why should they care if I podfic it? I do still try to manage any potential fallout , but I didn't worry about it too much.

To me, a kink meme is what you go to when you want to try something new - exactly what I did with the podfic. I wanted to get back into the groove of making podfic, and liked the story, and so did segments according to parts the author!anon had put up. Luckily, the author didn't mind, and everything was happy dory, so to me, permission given until proven otherwise! I say go ahead and do a segment and post it. That way, you didn't waste a lot of time recording it if it ends up being taken down, and you also get to have a bit of fun doing the bit you recorded anyway.
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[personal profile] zvi 2012-04-16 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I realize this is an unpopular fannish opinion, but I think that we should stop getting permission to do fanwork based on other fanwork all together, so I am all for people just going ahead and recording kinkmeme fills without going through even a minimal softshoe, let alone an elaborate song and dance routine.