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fandomfan asks what's so great about podfic?. I'm not sure that it's particularly useful to have that discussion with someone for whom the mere concept hits her embarrassment squick, but, in the more general case, why do you like podfic? Why do you like listening to it, why do you like making it, why do you like manipulating it (if you make covers or podbooks or work on one of the archives), why do you like teaching other people to do it, why do you like discussing it here?

And, even more so, what do you say when someone who doesn't already get it asks these questions?

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Thanks for the link.

I'm really genuinely interested to know what it is that people find so appealing about it. It's one of the few aspects of fandom that's never made sense to me on a gut level, so I really want to hear from the people it works for.

I know there are lots of 'em, so there's got to be something I'm not seeing.

But I think the great thing about fandom is that you don't have to see the point of everything. You don't like podfic and that's ok because there's probably a million other things that you *do* like:)

Personally, I've always loved being read to. By my mum when I was younger, by my sister when I'm sick, I adore it. I always pay more attention to detail when I'm listening to something rather than reading to myself. I find it relaxing and comforting.

Podfic allows me to completely immerse myself in a story, to notice the beautiful turns of phrase, the lush description the snappy back and forth of dialogue. And you'd be amazed at how well a 30 something fangirl from France can end up capturing Rodney Mckay's snappy voice, or a 20 something english fangirl can make me believe I'm listening to Arthur and Merlin.

aw, I resemble that remark! *grins and hugs*

I'm like you, I love when people tell me stories, always have loved it. Plus, when I read with my eyes, I don't tend to visualise anyway - I hear voices somewhat, yes, but mostly because I am super language oriented, I read the words themselves; I register their rhythms, the way they sound, the prosody of the sentence, the placement of commas, etc. I'm super sensitive to these details - hearing a story actually relieves my brain somewhat from some of the detail work of processing all that written language. It IS relaxing and comforting, for sure. It helps me listen to the story itself rather than the words, somehow - though I keep hearing those too, and I will stop listening to a podfic if/when it has the same 'faults' at the writing level that make me backbutton from the text. Anyway what I meant was, it doesn't shatter any mental construction I have of the world/characters I'm otherwise reading about; it doesn't break a fourth wall or disperse a visualisation, cos I wasn't having those anyway when I was reading.

Hmm. I'm sure I could say more about what I like, but my bed (and my lulling podfic!) is waiting. *g*

Your question kinda caught me in a wrong place. It's like asking an mpreg fan (or substitute pretty much any kink here that has as many detractors as it has fans) why they like this really embarrassing and icky and offensive thing. And I guess at that point all we--the mpreg/podfic/name your poison fans --ust have to say is, because we do!

So, I'm not sure what you're looking for when you're asking this question. I can list you all the things that I love about mpreg, all the ways it plays with gender, all the things that bug and trouble me about it. And none of those will make you like it any more.

I love podfic because I love being able to listen to stories in the same way I love listening to audiobooks. It's not like reading. It is much slower--forces you to follow along, paces it for you. It interprets the story for you, and it doesn't work or all stories for me (just like there are mpregs that really bug me :). But when it works, your squick's my kink!!!

As a listener, to both audio books and podfic, I love to be entertained while I'm driving (and I drive an incredible amount for my job), or while I'm walking or doing chores. I've painted rooms while listening to stories. I've walked many more miles than I would have, because I wanted to listen to more of a podfic.

And when I listened to my very first audiobook, Kim by Kipling, I really listend to the details that when I had read it I had skimmed. It made the story much deeper. And I will skim while reading, and I don't think it's a habit I can break.

Listening to podfic is a leisurely experience for me; I'm not in hurry, I want to take my time.

I don't feel any fourth wall breakage at all when I'm listening. I'm deeply drawn into the story and I very much like listening to really long podfics, many times in fandoms that I haven't even seen the show. I've gotten interested in several fandoms (Due South and SPN) just from listening to the podfics.

As a reader, I'm first of all making the podfics for myself. I re-listen to the ones I've made all the time. And I like learning the technical side of things, and experimenting with sound effects and music. (There is a debate about using music in podfics) I like matching up music that I think invokes a certain mood to go with the story.

(Let me just add right now that I also have started making non music version of my podfics for the benefit of anybody who's interested in something I recorded that doesn't like podfics with music or has difficulty hearing text read over sound effects or music)

I like picking stories from the writers on my flist to podfic. I like doing them as a return favor for my beta. I like recording a story as a gift for a friend.

I like recording my own stories, adding another layer onto the creative work I've done as a writer.

I like to podfic stories in my main fandom, as a way of promoting it.

I like participating in amplificathon, and occasionally, making comments on podficcing as a topic. That's my least favorite part, though. I mostly read this studio to see if I'm doing something that other people are going to object to.

I've always liked to read, and to read outloud. This is another way for me to be creative and it is fulfilling to me.

Laurie.

Oh, I really like that. And I wonder whether podfic listeners tend to be on the verbal rather than the visual spectrum. Because I don't see pictures or identify. I kinda watch the story as story play out and listening is another way...

You do indeed resemble that remkark:D

Anyway what I meant was, it doesn't shatter any mental construction I have of the world/characters I'm otherwise reading about; it doesn't break a fourth wall or disperse a visualisation, cos I wasn't having those anyway when I was reading.

Yes, exactly! I don't tend to visualise that much when I read, although for different reasons than you. So nothing is hardwired in my brain that's going to be shattered if I listen to a podfic, it's always *adding* something to the experience, not taking away.

I'm sure I could say more about what I like, but my bed (and my lulling podfic!) is waiting. *g*

Listening to podfic in bed is the *best*.

Well, I'm not a movie-in-your-head type person, either, but I definitely prefer text over speech. I just can't process things aurally as well. A conversation is one thing (though even that is not ideal for me), because it's generally back and forth between me and someone else, but just listening to one person relay a huge block of information cannot hold my attention and I just cannot absorb it, so whether it's a lecture or a podfic or whatever, it's just not going to sink in.

I don't find podfic embarrassing the way you do, but I am weirded out by the voices. Mainly I don't listen because I far prefer text to audio. I have never liked reading aloud or being read aloud to (as soon as I could read on my own, I never wanted my mom to read to me anymore).

I discovered podfic while working part time doing order entry. It was just me, my computer a pile of faxes and some earphones. Podfic turned a boring job into something where I could get paid to consume fanfic, it was awesome!

There were a few things that caught me off guard when I first started listening but I got over them pretty quickly.

When I got into podfic 3 years ago, well, the archive wasn't around.

amplificathon wasn't around. Sgapodfic was, as well as a podslash I believe but podfic wasn't all that plentiful and it wasn't always easy to find. I quickly found myself running out of things to listen to or relistening to things excessively. So I thought, hey I can do this and tried recording my first podfic. In retrospect, it maybe wasn't the best idea to start off with a fic more than 120,000 words long but my thoughts at the time was I should read something long so it'll take more time to listen to. Yeah.

I never did finish that podfic, and it wasn't until

amplificathon that I finally finished and posted my own podfic.

So for me, it was definitely about contributing to the community and filling a whole that I saw. Although I'll admit that's changed for me since. I now feel like podfic is my fandom more than any specific show. I find myself looking into more challenging projects. It would be nice if I could finish things, so they can actually be posted :)

I'm really genuinely interested to know what it is that people find so appealing about it.
The biggest thing for me about podfic is it allows me to consume fanfic in places where I'm not generally able to. When I'm at work, cross-referencing, when I'm driving, when I'm standing in line at the grocery store. I love fandom, and I love podfic, so why not try to squeeze it into the boring parts of my day?

And I just went and read your post where you say you get that in theory, but I guess it comes down to everyone has different comfort levels.
You mention that it doesn't sound right to you, or that people interpret things differently than you do and it throws you out. The thing is, if you listen to podfic, you just get used to it. Just like reading fanfic for the first time can be a bit jarring because canon through fandom can have a very different emphasis than what you pick up on your own. Fandom changes how you interact with the source. Podfic does the same, only this time the source is a fanfic and possibly the canon instead of just the canon.

You say that there's no way the podficers can sound like the actors, which is true, however, it's also not really the point. When you hang out with friends and talk about your day, do you make sure to use the same voices as the people you interact with? Is everything you say a performance? No, you're just telling a story. A story about other people, and that's understood by how you tell it. It's the same with podfic.

I know the first time I listened to an American fandom podfic read by an Australian, I'll admit it threw me out of the story for a second but it's just something you get over (or don't and you give up on podfic because it's not for you).

The thing is, if you listen to podfic, you just get used to it. Just like reading fanfic for the first time can be a bit jarring

A hundred times yes to this comment. I can remember how weirded out I was the first time I read fanfic...and then the first time I read m/m fanfic...and then the first time I listened to podfic...and I'm sure there'll be something new coming along any time now that I'll have to get over my preconceptions in order to enjoy.

One thing (not the primary thing, but one thing) podfic does is let me try stories I wouldn't read on my own, particular from readers whose reading I already like. I've listened to Sam/Dean stories because FayJay read them, and I hate SPN. I've listened to Die Hard fic because dodificus read it (and then went on to read a bunch of Die Hard fic, and then went on to watch DH and DH4.) A professional audiobook was how I listened to enough of the Fellowship of the Ring that I was able to go ahead and finish reading the book before the movie came out, which I thought wasn't going to do.

(I haven't yet worked my way through Dune with an audiobook. It's an SF classic I really should read/listen to at least once, but I haven't yet been able to do it.)

But anyway, because I listen to podfic while I'm commuting or doing data entry or whatever, I stay with kinds of stories I might otherwise navigate away from and miss out on enjoying.

Some podfic hits my embarassment squick, too - I think it has to do with just exactly the way the reader is reading and how I feel about the content of the story, and how well the voices work with the story, so I never know for sure if a particular recording's going to hit it until I've started listening.

I do still listen some, though, but it's almost entirely a convenience thing - sometimes I want to read fic but my eyes and/or hands are too occupied to actually read text, and I do like having podfic for that purpose. I know some people find extra value in the art of the recording, but for me, anything that gets in the way of just hearing the words is unnecessary (and often distracting, and far more likely to hit the squick); whereas I've been known to use the (terrible!) built-in text-to-speech program in Windows to read me fic if there's no podfic of a story I'm working through and I have to go audio.

So - yeah, I am so much not the prime audience for podficcers, but I do like it 'cause it's *useful*.

It's like asking an mpreg fan ... why they like this really embarrassing and icky and offensive thing.

Well, it *does* embarrass me.

At no point have I suggested podfic (or mpreg, for that matter) is icky or offensive.

Simply that it weirds me out, just as I'm sure there are things out there in the fannish world that weird you out. So here I am trying to figure out from the people who love podfic what they love about it instead of letting it rest unexplored. If my curiosity hits you in a wrong place, there's nothing I can do about that.

I really appreciate your (and everyone else's) answers here. That's a good point about podfic setting a story's pace for you. I like to think that when I read fic, I'm always slow and careful and attentive to detail, but that's not always true, and with podfic, the listener is definitely guided by the pacing of the reader.

Thanks for shedding light on this for me. :)

I've listened to Sam/Dean stories because FayJay read them, and I hate SPN.

And funnily enough, I, too, have listened to Sam/Dean stories because FayJay read them. So we both have that same 'follow-a-beloved-author' tendency: you across fandoms, me across media.

This whole discussion is really interesting to me. I love seeing everyone's different reasons for podfic love, and the idea of using podfic to get into stories you might not otherwise stick with is one I hadn't thought of.

It's funny, because I love pro audiobooks, and the idea of being able to listen to someone read to me while driving/working/whatever is definitely appealing. Just doesn't translate to fic for me. Maybe because my attitude towards fic consumption is differently emotionally invested somehow. Like it doesn't make much difference in how I process it if I read or listen to a non-fannish piece of writing, but when I read fanfic, I want to consume it some sort of different way.

Ultimately, I do think the visual/aural learning styles thing comes into it quite significantly, and I'm definitely a visual one on that spectrum. I want the thrill of scrolling down and discovering a particularly beautiful (or a particularly hot) turn of phrase as the dialogue unfolds, and that is a specifically *visual* thrill for me that I wouldn't get from someone else reading.

Interesting.

Thanks for posting this and getting discussion going. And for all your thoughts, too.

Just chiming in as another person who's always loved being read to - and reading aloud myself, even more so. In school, my primary means of studying was to go through my notes and *talk* them out to myself. Something about that brain-to-mouth transfer helped fix things in my head much better than reading or listening alone.

It's funny you mentioned audiobooks helping you get through Fellowship of the Ring. What helped me get through them was that I read the books aloud to myself. Now I'm wondering if listening to the recording would have worked just as well for me, or if I needed to actually be *saying* the words to get the impact. Hmmmm... oral vs. aural. :)

Beyond that, just ditto to what everyone else has said about the pluses of podfics. There's a little bit of all of that wrapped up in it for me.

I agree with a lot of the earlier reasons, and am also a person who has ALWAYS loved being read to, and still does, even as an adult. There's something wonderfully intimate and social about hearing stories read aloud by someone's voice.

I think during amplirecathon some people discussed that with depressing stories, especially, listening to the podfic made them feel less alone with the story.

Voices also convey the emotions of a story to me in a way that sometimes the words alone won't. Like, I'll get how great or hot or sweet or sad a story is while reading it, but when I listen to that same story I will get *goosebumps* from those same parts. So it's another level of intensity, to me, getting absorbed in a spoken vs. a written story.

I also really like seeing plays, tv shows, movies. I like having things acted for me, and I consider podfic similar to theatre in a lot of ways. Listening to a reader say a phrase or line of dialogue in a way I had never thought of before just delights me.

So. Those are some of the reasons. For me.

I just actually read your post after leaving my comment, and I'd add after that that it seems like you'd probably be more likely to enjoy podfics for stories you haven't already read. Many of the issues you pointed out with podfics seemed to come from the difference between how you interpreted a story when you read it vs. how the reader interpreted the story. So if your first experience of the story was hearing it, that might clear up some of that discomfort for you.

Maybe you have already tried this, but if not, and if you are really trying to enjoy podfics for whatever reason, it might be worth a shot.

I actually thought it'd hit my embarrassment squick, too. But there are a number of reasons I like it in spite of that. Portability! Definitely. No more printing out fanfiction and reading on the schoolbus like I did back in the midst of time at 13, when anyone could read over my shoulder. Two, I like being read to. It's fun to have a person reading me a story. Three, multitasking. It's hard to read fanfic on the screen while cleaning or cooking. And four, it's just a different experience from reading text. Just as I enjoy audiobooks, but find it completely different from reading a book in my hand, it's fun to see what a story is like in a different format. As for the embarrassment squick, I found that for a moment it was a little weird to hear someone Reading Porn Out Loud, but as the story progressed I stopped noticing the reader so much, or thinking about this person sitting there Reading Porn Out Loud, and the reader became a conduit. I'm sad that unfortunately I don't think I'll ever be a podficcer (I recently tried and found that my voice is too difficult to understand when recorded), but I'll continue to enjoy reading podfic for these reasons.

I just can't process things aurally as well.

I have this problem, too. I would love podfic so much more if I didn't!

Protip from someone who writes a lot of meta

1) Don't use the construction "what's so great about X?" if you want people who like X to talk to you. That phrase implies that there is nothing great X.

2) If you want to find out why people like something, don't start out the conversation listing all of the reasons you don't like it. This makes it sound as if you've made up your mind about the something, and there's not much in it for people who like X to try to convince you otherwise.

I find that the best way to get people to explain the appeal of something I don't is to structure the discussion so the deficiency is placed on my lack of understanding, instead of the appeal of the thing I don't get. For example, "I don't really understand why people are into Supernatural. Can y'all tell me what you like about it?"

It makes fanworks more interestingly accessible through audio versions.

I find that the best way to get people to explain the appeal of something I don't is to structure the discussion so the deficiency is placed on my lack of understanding, instead of the appeal of the thing I don't get.
I agree. In some situations.

Not really in fannish ones.

I think topics can be opened for debate without worrying about every bit of language and its potential to offend someone reading it. For example, right here. Plenty of people have showed up to talk about the pros of podfic, and I'm not at all sure that would have happened in response to a post full of demure language and quiet solicitations for information.

I have run in fannish circles for quite some time, and watched many a meta discussion go down, and relatively few of the good and interesting and multifaceted ones that I've seen have begun with neutral wording.

I'm sure there are plenty of things out there that I like that other people are put off by, and I'd be much more likely to step in and defend my opinions if I saw evidence of someone else *really* not getting it. It gets the passion going, which is one of the best things about the fannish community, in my opinion.

So, being my blog and my opinions, I've expressed them. And it has indeed generated a fruitful discussion, and I've gotten a lot of interesting information from lots of fen that has helped me figure out what it is about podfic that works for people. Some things I'd have guessed to be true, and some things I'd never have thought of. Which is precisely what I was hoping for.

At no point have I stated that I think there's something inherently wrong with podfic or with people who like it and listen to it. I haven't stated that, because that's absolutely *not* what I think. But the whole point of the conversation for me is to find out what people do like, regardless of whether or not it convinces me to take up podfic listening on a regular basis, and that's what's happened here. No one's trolling, no one's attacking, no one's going after other fen personally. And me, I'm really interested to see all of these responses.

So thanks, again, for yours, and for getting the thread started in the first place.

That's a really good point. All the podfic I've tried has been for stories I'm already familiar with.

I'll have to go hunt down some for new-to-me stories.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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